Ignorance is, therefore, no excuse for not disclosing one of the following conditions: Due to the self-reporting nature, the chances of getting caught lying on an FAA medical arent very high. So the Medical certification system is statistically, virtually, perfector..redundant AS LONG AS you are in a multi-crew aircraft. Im applying for a job where they train you to be a helicopter pilot. With the right preparation, you can navigate the process efficiently. In my opinion the medical standards of evaulating pilots needs to be changed in light of new treatments. Find one that will help you get through the maze, not simply hand your problem off to the FAA. A. You want to make it more difficult? Many of the requirements for special issuance for example are redundant and simply bureaucratic paper chases. Furthermore, any standard of medical concern for pilots is lost because it allows the FAA to turn a blind eye to a medical condition. There are too many who are afraid of liability. If the FAA is lieing why should we worry about non-commercial pilots? Unfortunate as those events are, they do NOT cause accidents. So how many depressed pilots (especially those who do it for a living) are flying? Until the rules change, abide by them, and make sure you self monitor. Who gave the FAA the power to stop pilots from flying because they take antidepressants? I had kidney stone surgery 12 years ago and over the last two years I passed two stones at home. One of the greatest fears among aspiring and qualified pilots is not being issued or losing their medical certificate. Im not saying I have a medical cert, but if I did this is what I would do. Counseling, HTN, whatever. Responding to a letter from the FAA about your medical certificate almost always requires you to provide detailed notes from your treating physician(s) and other objective evidence to show you are safe to fly. With a small investment of time and energy, in the beginning, it is possible to keep flying with most medical conditions as long as they are well controlled. I did not disclose my name or address when I created this account. Whether or not your AME issues your medical certificate, the FAAs Aeromedical Certification Division (AMCD) will review your application. The additional costs associated with FAA medicals will reduce flying time for many of us there goes the proficiencey issue again. What objective proof can they present that Im actually depressed or for that matter no longer depressed that would otherwise qualify me for a medical? At worse, you may face a hefty fine or even criminal prosecution. While not endorsing that, it is understandable at the emotional level. I am in full support of the exemption and hope you will support it too; after all, it has worked for the Sport program and it seems it will work for you! Aside from that, I think that few pilots lie but, as Huck Finn said of Mark Twain, there was things which he stretched, but mainly he told the truth., See my comment about the unconsciousness question. the more you say no the more you are hurting your own self. Here in Italy Superman still dictates. have you ever once in your life had and on the other hand they are so vague. It is irrelevant whether the union itself has anything to do with the action. I have patients with heart disease who are able to continue to fly on special issuance. In-case if you ever get into an accident the FAA/NTSB will look through all your medical history and do a thorough check on that pilot meaning they want to look at every doctor visit and all medications you have been on. Perhaps most problematic is that these medications are disqualifying in and of themselves. TO LOW TO BAIL SO HAD TO TO FLY IT DOWN . I aeree. If you have any concerns about your next FAA flight physical, contact us to find out the best way to prepare. I manage my health daily so as to not have to place them in a position to yank my ticket or otherwise cause me not to self certify. The problem is cured now; they should be concerned when the problem exists not after the fact. Once set up by politicians, these agencies rule by fiat, for which there is no recourse. If I have the big one in the seat here is what will happen: 1. Yes, they do. Never used my weapon except for training. I know there are very experienced Senior AMEs out there who may have more influence with a phone call to Oklahoma City. There are also considerations for appeal to the National Transportation Safety Board, but this option will be also be dependent on discontinuation of the disqualifying medication and your ability to develop an argument that the underlying diagnosis was not accurate. Those that are honest will remain so, and those who arent never will be honest. Also, if I lose my medical, Id save a ton of money on flying and could retire a good 10-15 years earlier! I suggest that every pilot take a look at the AME Guide on the FAA website. Pilot Health - Should I not disclose this on my FAA medical? Our fact-checkers review each article to ensure that all the information presented is accurate, relevant and up-to-date. This is especially true of hearing. Type II diabetes, coronary artery stents, history of myocardial infarction (heart attack), various cancers, and several other diseases are disqualifying, but Special Issuance can be obtained by doing the hoop jumping that the FAA requires, such as providing a statement from your treating physician, listing the medications that you take, do you have any side effects from the medications, do the medications actually work. Anyone who would report this immediately loses their medical and has to wait a year. Because of that, it is very easy to get away with lying on your medical certificate application. He as a jet driver and as the sole pilot that might have been a problem during the flight he was scheduled for the next day. My first flightdoctor told me he was very happy about having pilots as clients. In other words, bigger name on the other line. I found their reaction to my sleep apnea to be too late, ineffective, and over reacting. What will actually happen if you are caught lying? This is a bit off the subject of lying on the 8500-8, but it addresses another approach to not requiring a medical examination for certain types of flying. The cost of the medical exam will vary by location and examiner as well as the type of exam given. He memorized the color chart. Im a depressed individual Ive been formally diagnosed with dysthemic disorder, a long-term, low grade version of chronic depression that isnt helped with medications. When the whole 3rd class medical requirement is seen in a larger context, its absurdity can be seen. It can also ensure you keep flying for years to come. Even patients, with well controlled epilepsy, may safely drive. At worse, you may face a hefty fine or even criminal prosecution. Id had apnea for several years, napped daily once or twice. Now Ive been unemployed for a couple months and who knows how long before some beaurucrat decides to actually look at my file snd say ok. Ive followed all the steps they dictated,all my tests and results are right on but because they wont simply look and see that Ive followed thrie rules and was honest,Im looking at becoming a burden to the system and living on public assistance until I get my medical back. I am 55. 2. It sure would eliminate a lot of phone calls and digging through files for me. This doesnt happen very often because Oklahoma City deals with up to 700,000 to one million people a year but if one does get caught then one could face some legal trouble in court. Something like 75% of all medicals that arrive in OKC come from outside the USA. I was STUPID enough to be honest. 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If you ever lose it you can simply request a new one. As one previous poster mentioned, why not let the AME make more of the calls, especially for class 3? Lie and get caught, you will lose your ticket, get fined, and possibly go to jail. Medical certificates are designated as first-class, second-class, or third-class. Trying to fix an accidental lie on my medical. They are actually almost the same as for Third Class. Actually, in some years there are 0 attributed to sudden incapacitation, such as heart attack or stroke. When that syndrome is cured, much of what is wrong at FAA will be cured. He petitioned the FAA to remove his special issuance for that disorder and supplied a letter from his treating physician, and the special issuance requirement went away. Those are hard to fake. A separate authorization request is required for each record released to any third party (physician, insurance company, employer, etc.) I dont think its ever been a question about whether pilots lie. A trip to the pulmonologist to see if you have sleep apnea and subsequent CPAP will make you lose the ticket for a long time until you have jumped through very lengthy and expensive FAA hoops. He landed safely, but it was his last flight. to get it straightened out. The message the FAA should be sending to pilots in my opinion is Manage your health. The AME also cannot read their minds, so he cannot go beyond a reasonable interpretation either to help with these questions. Further, you fly with your family and maybe some of your employees if you use an aircraft for business transporation. Everyone lies technically. Many pilots have waited months or years for their medical certificates because each new record they provide to justify their medical certificate eligibility reveals another ailment they did not disclose before. There are heart transplant pilots flying. Like many organizations, the FAA puts its own authority, power and existence ahead of those, whom it is supposed to serve. I sure as hell would. Why do we have a federal bureaucracy policing such a low number of casualties? And, actually, the FAA is making Special Issuance less of a problem for certain diseases. (And not be able to go to the interview next month with the cert in hand). Is Medical Coding The Same As Medical Transcription? If pilots routinely lie, but its never a safety issue If I dont tell him would the FAA find out if I never had another attack? The FAA is hopelessly stuck in the stone age, especially in the Aeromedical division. A related question would be do people fly without a medical illegally? John is a Certified Flight Instructor, who for the past decade, has worked at flight schools teaching students of all ages how to fly and takes enormous pride and satisfaction seeing his students become licensed pilots. Today with the revolution in the medical diagnostic procedures, and early detection system and timely treatment most airline pilots will qualify and pass the medical exam if the questions were not leading ones. I go to sleep. On the part of most pilots here its not lying. Your family and friends consider you more important than any flying you may do. Thus by forcing pilots to avoid medical treatment, in order to protect their medical certificate, the FAA actually promotes ill health and thus diminishes safety. Or have a child die and see a counselor of any sort. It does happen. He showed no regard for the safety of others, nor did he feel guilty about lying, just relieved he passed. Some do it by mistake. Further more, if an airman lies and is in a serious accident with injuries or fatalities, his entire medical history will be examined and subsequent legal action may not be beneficial to his or her heirs. The AME might be required to defer your Medical Certificate, but you will be 3-4 months ahead by having the AME submit your medical information along with the 8500-8 rather than waiting for the FAA to ask for the information. The states set the standards for driver licenses and the Feds set the standards for pilot medical certificates and pilot certificates. On a related note, has anyone used an aeromedical service company to help obtain/renew a medical certificate? The FAA medical certification process starts when you fill out an electronic application in MedXPress. That would include most of the trainers (Cessna 120, 140, 150, 152, Piper Tomahawk, etc.) PO Box 882196 Im not sure what I think about all this but Ill tell you my story. Those marathons at age 26 paid off. But, to the uninformed, it has an appearance of diligence. Lets analyze how you got to a denial and what can be done to appeal the denial. Be careful that if you have seen your doctor and are responding yes to question 19 and your doctor diagnosed you with ADHD (or suggested that you had ADHD), you will also likely need to respond yes to question 18m. The AME will then be required to report any changes to the FAA, If not, there is no need to report to the FAA. So, I can only assume that the FAA will see it so there is no question about having to report it myself. FAA doesnt. The issue is what we feel is important, because the government wants a complete history and providing it isnt possible and pilots are going to make their own judgements about whats truly important to fully disclose. Obviously, the Veterans Administration and the military are still struggling to understand PTSD and have been dropping the ball for 50 years. Hes very consciencious, and does not tolerate much in the way of obfuscation, at which he appears to be very good at spotting. Before treatment, when I was sleepy, FAA wasnt concerned. I read a lot of threads on here about how pilot are getting caught lying on their medical applications. Let me repeat that, every single one, no exceptions. Eat right, excercise, dont smoke, and dont take drugs of any kind. Not just surprise test changes from the FAA but the FMCSA again wanting to reduce truck drivers hours of service due to fatigue despite the lack of evidence published on the FMCSAs own web site. There are folks flying with diabetes that are on insulin. Wiley Post would have never passed a physical. I suffer from multiple personality disorder, but all of the voices affirm they are qualified pilots. But it doesnt because the public wouldnt tolerate it. I found my regular doctor because I was looking for an AME. However, if you do get caught, at best you will lose your license. Major unions have lost court cases and in one instance suffered severe financial damage in the process. Try to determine why it is required of you, but not others, with OSA. Two of the pilots I know of with these problems have Class 1 Medical Certificates. My ex hubby did it yearly. PER your admission the need for a medical is a mute issue I drive there for I fly. Hmmm Wiley Post was one of the great Aviators flue around the world was he Illeagle??? First class medical exams can cost up to $200. If I tell the AME about this will I not get my cert that day? He was the author of numerous books, including. No, I have never lied on the medical application because I understood the ramifications in the event of an accident. Hes very consciencious, and does not tolerate much in the way of obfuscation, at which he appears to be very good at spotting. I had to get TWO EKGs to satisfy FAA medical! This is truly a Great Debate. Fortunately with the airlines, there is always a second pilot capable of flying the plane. He exists to remove one of the joys of my life. The problem with the medical certification process is that on the one hand the questions are so stringent i.e. No legal issue or problem is too small or too large for The Ison Law Firm. You miss the point. May just you please lengthen them a little from next time? From the details they ask about, you would think you were applying to be an astronaut. This is to screen for diabetes and kidney disease. Ive no choice but be truthfull,but I am sure Ive flown with other pilots who are afraid of admitting or just dont admit that they are not fit to fly themselves or their passengers safely.Does that ache youve been noticing or even worse ignoring mean something? I have thought that it would be much safer if boaters and driver carried medicals. Im not dumb enough to eat a big meal then jump right into a plane for the flight back unless it is one with a toilet and someone else is flying! The hypocrisy at the FAA hurts general aviation in lots of ways. We have an entrenched bureaucracy that refuses to relinquish power and money. I was told at a young age I could not fly with one eye, but latter in life I found out I could with a medical waver. The reader should always consult his or her doctor before discontinuation of any medication. How about providing you SSAN when the FAA does not need it? G E King, R: Sleep Apnea. TH REASON IS FOR INJURIES I RECIEVED WHEN MY 01 LANDED WITH OUT A RUNWAY. I dont know for a fact other pilots lie on their medical, but pretty sure some I know do. Its a basic truth of the human condition that everybody lies. Few people have memory of everything diagnosed as a child, how many appoinments one has been to in the last 3 years, or even knowledge of what the doctor has put in your medical record. I look at the FAA as the enemy trying to take my life away. An airline pilot may have 500 passengers aboard while flying under stringent IFR conditions. 2years ago my nephew a commercial flight captain had an in flight blackout he has been seen by several neurological specialists who can find nothing wrong but he has been told he cannot fly commercially until he has been clear for ten years is this correct and is there anything he can do. It says "last three years" so there's a one year overlap for us older guys applying for a third class. Generally, first-class is designed for the airline transport pilot; second-class for the commercial pilot; and third-class for the student, recreational and private pilot. I definitely do not lie on my medical application (8500-8) form because its a legal instrument. Its long and complex, but an occasional look at it, especially regarding your own health issues, is worth it. It is so easy for those not flying professionally to prescribe stricter rules for those that do. Throwaway account for obvious reasons. Thats out of tens of millions of flights. Since I asked to have myself tested for apnea, and found it was a problem, and now use a Constant Positive Air Pressure (CPAP) machine, FAA dogs me annually. I know a guy from the US (cant tell his name) that told me that he has lied at least one time, he was overweight and had high blood pressure, he was medicated but he never told that in his annual. So, the medical certification process has greatly reduced my joy. As statistics show flying is considerably safer than any land based carrier. Please don't sabotage your own union's efforts on your behalf. its the government way. Flying brought some much needed joy back into my life. A highly experienced AME, also a 747/DC-10 Captain for a major airline, once told me that crewmembers lose consciousness in the seat about half a dozen times every year. Such disorders might be genetic. I dont remember the exact incidence of pilot incapacitations that they quote at the AME seminars, but it is extremely low. There are about 450-500 deaths per year in ALL of general aviation. If you didnt say yes then you lied. Im a 24 year old healthy male non smoker athlete with 20/20 vision and I cant fly because I took adderal as needed for help concentrating in school. Risk is a price of freedom. I have been a private pilot since 10/05/2013 I know that the medical form is a self certifying process that can have good or bad risks but you never know what the FAA has access to since their a government organization/department. It was less rigorous than a regular over 40 physical, so I took one of those too. Compared to all causes of death, these are infinitesimal numbers. I would be totally fine with an evaluation, but it sounds like a lengthy- expensive- and rather rigorous test that offers no gurentee to a medical. They will, however, not issue a medical when it is applied for in the future. If you have not needed counselling for a year or more (maybe less) and are not taking an antidepressant, get a note from your counsellor and take it with you to the appoint with the AME. What you dont want to do is lie. Telling the truth in MedXPress is clearly the right thing to do, but that is not what this article is about. In the latest installment of The Great Debate, Richard Collins asks you to weigh in on whether pilots are truthful when they visit the AME. astronaut training. I on the other hand can only fly sport and do when I can find a plane to rent. Everyone at some point or another you all have been diagnosed with something. Age is only a number. I am not sure whether the doctors are always correct or what specifically they are looking for to justify one pilot is medically fit while another is unfit. That is an entirely different responsibility that warrants a real physical exam. If it makes you feel any better, the doctors office transposed two numbers in the date of the exam. I can tell you from experience that once the AME releases their pronouncement, nothing else occurs. Having spent over 10k learning to fly I was advised at my medical I had LBBB. However, if you do get caught, at best you will lose your license. But is the whole medical certificate process flawed? You are assumed to be lying. Increasing the gross weight limit of the Sport Aircraft class is a really good idea. I was even showing a bit of talent for it and progressing very nicely towards my private pilot certificate. First, if youve not taken a disqualifying medication for greater than 90 days, you can potentially argue to the FAA that your underlying diagnosis was not accurate to begin with. I think a regular physical should be required, but the special AME physical in all reality boils down to a tax disguised as safety concern. I am all in favour of your own doctors certificate of good health. I think its a very poor decision to falsify your medical. At worse, you may face a hefty fine or even criminal prosecution. Additionally, I believe this would be a tremendous economic boon for the industry as a whole. The Great Debate: do pilots lie on medicals? So please just be honest you they are gonna find out about one day or another just like the case out in California back in 2005 for pilots lying about question 18y Medical disability benefits and many of them were in legal trouble. Managing a flight department or want to offer a premium service to your club members or students. How about the person that might have some minor anxiety issues? I was then a County Police Officer for 21 years. Manage it and you will not have to lie to the FAA, or your AME, or your PCP. Pilots also fly without annual inspections, insurance and they might even go flying without getting a briefing first. The responsibility for a safe flight in my aircraft is mine not the AMES, and most certainly not the FAAs. No faxes or emails are allowed. Telling the truth has cost me nearly 2 years of no flying due only to a late reply by my doctor and now I am walking away from my favorite form of relaxation, anyone want to buy my plane? 3. If your AME does not spot anything on your physical exam, you have a clean driving record and you have never served in the military, chances are that the FAA will not question the information you submit in MedXPress. Online posts, including anonymous posts and posts made here on APC, have been used in lawsuits against unions. Now a question: Should 80+ year old pilots with type II diabetes, hypertension, a coronary artery stent or two, on 3-4 medications be allowed to fly a 6000# gross weight airplane with 5 passengers up to 14,000 feet, VFR or IFR without having had a medical exam by an AME? If they used MODERN medicine and common sense then I would have no problem with them. They were like so we dont think you ever had it Passed tests with flying colors. speaks to mental disorders of any sort. It goes on to give examples of depression, anxiety, etc. The FAA typically expects applicants to also identify at question 18m. He had diabetes. For pilots with health problems that aren't debilitating but possibly disqualifying, 'fessing up on the application for a third class medical certificate can be a busted-if-you-do, busted-if-you-don't proposition. In this age of fax machines, email, twitter, facebook, linked in, etc, it is obvious that the FAA is stuck in the past. I understand why a lot of this stuff, like the sport pilot initiative, takes so long and always falls short, but cmon, this one is easy and its gonna bite them in the ass. The real question is; Do you trust you AME? 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