I also believe in my heart that Shannan did not hurt her babies Im thinking the girls were killed after Shanann because he knew she would look in on them, perhaps kiss them, before turning to bed herself. As far as OCD I dont believe she had it This shows how little insight you have into this case, and into who Shanan was in particular. Its good that youre trying to demonstrate this and see it through. Meacham [who knew Shanann from school] described Shanaan as OCD in the way the household operated. She wanted to be, and really thought she was, a great mom. She seemed to be in pajamas which indicates she got into bed, which sickly matches up with his barely got into bed remark, The sheets were stripped because they probably got pulled off anyway during the act. Theres also a serious fundamental problem with your theory, which goes to the forensics. no she was a good mom who looked after her kids! Chris Watts attacked her from behind, his left hand around her throat and his right hand covering her mouth and nose. She didnt nick him in the neck, that mark was not from her nails. That sounds very very snarky. It is my opinion that one could not have this mix in the stomach unless it was swallowed and if the stomping on the head didnt bring Bella out of unconsciousness before being immersed in the oil, then she was very possibly (and hopefully) unaware of what was happening. http://www.timescall.com/ci_32281483/autopsy-reports-show-shanann-watts-daughters-were-asphyxiated, But Celeste didnt have oil her stomach. Chris was plainly seen in the neighbors security video loading a red gas can into the back of his truck. Seriously? When asked if they were going to find any marks on her during his confession he said I dont think so and when asked why he said it was because she didnt fight back because I was in such a rage Tell me how that makes any sense at all? I think he was doing this so she would feel comfortable when she got home, and would be able to sleep. I honestly believe Chris smothered them all with ethanol soaked cloths. https://youtu.be/U8fe6Ckeh5A?t=210. I guess he did want to get rid of them all, and do it all over again with her. It has NOTHING to do with being organized, clean, or a neat freak. At the end of the day there are no good reasons to commit murder, especially of ones own flesh and blood, but there may be valuable lessons to learn from figuring out how this could have happened. Celeste and Bellas bodies were each inside one of the tanks. What she considered the kids making a mess Ha! The womans home was spotless & there was a place for everything & everything was labeled! I consider it strange to have them there (in preschool) FT at their age, given the business she was inseems like it could have been done around an at home schedule for the girls, IMO.. Chris worked at a petroleum manufacturing company. He resented how close they all were and was sadistic enough to hurt her. Watts was arrested on August 15, 2018. In fact, its not just the muscles but also the gas produced inside your body following death that will cause peeing and pooping. I was 59 weighed 120 lbs, so was skinny. Chris thought that she was dead? The reports concluded that all three victims died of asphyxiation Shanann was strangled while the two girls were smothered, according to the reports. And then you test it in various scenarios. Had he planned this out, he would have killed them earlier, left in the middle of the night, in the dark, to dispose of the bodiesnot as the sun was coming up as seen in the tape. Im sure if he were pretending to sleep she would have been so tired she would have gone to sleep right away, thinking well talk in the morning, things will be better tomorrow. I didnt see any evidence that Shanann tried to defend herself, probably because he sat on top of her. Please have respect for people who suffer with the condition, and research it before you comment about it. I actually don't understand this and would think the opposite would actually be true. If the oil got into her stomach by being submerged in the tank then shouldnt CeCe have oil in her system too. After 2nd child, changed. That got me too it sounded more like Shanann was trying to do CPR if she was already blue! My husband and I wrestle and if he sits on my chest with my arms by my side, I cant move. Shannan's cause of death was strangulation while an autopsy found crude oil in Bella and Celeste's throats, stomach and lungs. I believe she was probably sleeping when he smothered her. After reading the 2000 page discovery & the autopsy report & listening to the FBI agent talk about other cases I learned that smothering by manual force is done very frequently to children. I always slept in a bra when I was in my 20s and 30s. Just kind of odd. That goes against every human primal instinct we have, it just wouldnt happen. Colorado is very rural. He really thought he could get away with this? You see any documents with that diagnosis? The two girls, Bella and Celestes bodies also had same, was noted in autopsy reports is from decomp process. And all I can see is ShanAnns MLM addiction coupled with the desire to live well beyond her means, to give an impression that she was rich-rich-rich, which Im sure she envisioned as a way to promote her business get new people to sign on. The childrens cause of death was given as asphyxiation due to smothering. Bella also had Blunt force trauma. Of course he kept saying hed never hurt those kids, he was lying, trying to save his ass. I think he may have snapped and killed Bella first. I actually do not believe that there was any sedation to the girls or his wife. I agree. I was in Colorado in the area on vacation the week this happened last August and the whole thing is sickening and deeply troubling to me. Ive never personally had a child repeatedly behave as the girls did, and pleasea disclaimer here. Supposedly he took them out of school and said they wouldnt be coming back. If Im interpreting the autopsy correctly he effectively smothered and strangled at the same time but I never see this mentioned anywhere. Even with Bella, no screaming brain said , this is your Bella!! Want to keep up with the latest. In terms of your comments about respect, you clearly have no respect for my work. It would be good to hear your assessment of his assessment. She was organized but that is not OCD, same as me. The police reports contain several photos showing the oil drums where the childrens bodies were found. Told everyone I was bipolar, that we were divorced, even took me to one of his counseling sessions to prove I was the one with the problem. Asshole should have never been presented and damn plea deal. PLEASE know, all of these words are helping me to work through an event that is really messing with my head. Then probably went to bed & I guarantee he was in their bed not in the basement & this made her happy. She left him a note the morning she left for Arizona and it was very loving & positive. In the 2000 page report that was released they pose the theory that she may have been asleep while attacked. He was an operator for Anadarko. Parents reach for any hope, even if the child is blue, even if rigor has set in, theyre desperate and people who are not emotionally involved as them, professionals,have to tell them its too late. The reports show that the bodies of both little girls were placed inside oil containers with a narrow opening that was only 8 inches in diameter. Lack of defensive injuries. He was holding me down by sitting on me, one leg on each side of my stomache. He then pursued and strangled her there. But hed then be a full time father leaving him not much time to galavant with NK except when a babysitter came. Chris was ocd also. People with OCD can have obsessions related to a wide variety of things, including losing control, hurting others, unwanted sexual thoughts, and many more. They obviously didnt watch the K9 body cam footage! I am shocked shes not been charged too. He said kidnap somebody, murder somebody. Her clothes were even coordinated by colour in the closet. Subdued and buried alive perhaps? Peanuts and tree nuts are VERY different, and supposedly CeCe had a *tree nut* allergy coconut, not peanuts! I would like to read the discovery how do I find it? I bet there was no conversation. They asked him ways to murder somebody & he said shoot someone, hit them with a club, stab them, run them over, throw them off a cliff, a bunch of other weird ways but steering wide of strangling. Watts isnt a trained jujitsu. Not everyone poops when they die, in fact most do not. (883931) Full autopsy reports of all 3. Bella Watts Autospy Report Also ethanol in the oil would not seep into the spleen in a body in 3 days to produce a high level like that, besides most ethanol is extracted through many processes prior to any petroleum company dumping the waste oil. There are FBI profilers who are trained at reading people by what they dont say & in Chriss case sometimes he says too much. Thats all information in police interviews with Shananns friends. The same instinct that we as parents have to call somebody for help when our children our hurt. It drives me batty to see little Cece kick her legs in joy in the videos and to know they were stopped forever. Youre obviously trolling! Shananns Autopsy Report states, There is a linear array of variably sized, purple black circular defects which extend from the inferior aspect of the chin, along the jawline, up the left aspect of the face, towards the left temporal area. The reports had been sealed until the outcome of the trial. It takes 4 5 hours for a stomach to empty after eating. October 3, 2018 / 12:35 PM / CBS Colorado. Do not make it more complex than it need be please. I always wondered why she didnt fight back, too. Then he killed his daughters Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3 at his job site on an oil field. Nickole Atkinson was first to sound the alarm; she told police she dropped Shannan off and Shannon was 15 weeks pregnant and not feeling well. ShanAnn had been in a total of 6 MLMs that I could identify (Amway, Origami Owl, LulaRoe, Younique, ItWorks!, Thirty One, and Thrive oops, thats SEVEN); theyd already had to file bankruptcy in 2015; and now they were about to lose their house due to not being able to pay their bills. One of the predatory marketing techniques used by MLMs (which overwhelmingly target MOMs) is that they can be at home *with* their children, making extra money with little effort. Yes, there is a way to test whether bodies could be placed through the Thief Hatch with [or possibly without] breaking bones but youre not going to like it, Welcome to the Post Truth Phase of the Chris Watts Case, Exclusive Interview with the Lindstrom Couple, Proof The Third Baby Was All Chris Watts Idea, The Final Three Weeks of the Phone Data Review #2YearsAgoTodayCW. Bella and Celeste were thrown away, the prosecutor said adding that investigators found scratch marks on one of the girls bodies and tufts of hair on the opening to one of the oil tanks, the television station reported. If she was that tired, yes, Shannan could have left her suitcase and purse downstairs in her own home. I mean, nothing can be done of course, it is done and is over of course, I am stating the very obvious. He was asleep. I cant believe the police let them stay in there. He also said he didnt know where they were and he thought they were coming back. Mark, that is really interesting! Thats the update; at the beginning of the article, theres a link to the first contact between her and the financial counselor. Shannan's cause of death was strangulation while an autopsy found crude oil in Bella and Celeste's throats, stomach and lungs. A Stranglehold can incapacitate and render unconsciousness within 5 11 seconds. One of the unknowns in this case is why Watts did what he did. Also, I read that the kids were very light sleepers. Lo que ese animal hizo estuvo todo en su sano juicio, los borrachos dicen que hacen cosas indebidas por estar ebrios pero, este definitivamente es satans. She felt that he is going out to pour oil on the bodies to dispose of them. Her husband spoke to Chris and he was not shedding a tear about his missing family.. They then start putting the idea in his head what happened, did one of the kids die & Shannan killed the other one & herself? I know that OCD was mentioned on several instances in the Discovery by those who knew her, but do they have the qualifications to make that diagnosis? As someone who has OCD I would appreciate if everyone commenting here would look up the mental condition. The kids had two wack jobs for parents. I own this site, and have posted hundreds of blogs, and written 4 books on the Watts case. Typo. Nor did any part of whats left of a moral consciousness scream what are you doing?!!! Believe meeven the worst of the worst, hardened criminals do NOT like baby killers.they WILL do to him what he did to his babiesjust a matter of time one of those inmates having NOTHING to lose, lifetime sentences.CW is NOT going to live long once hes let out of his isolated cageGuards will make sure a door gets left open, backs turnedthey HATE baby killers toowe all do. The breast get sore , and large during pregnancy, and for me at least, it was more comfortable to have them supported and padded. etc. No screams were heard in the middle of the night. He vacuumed twice a day. He doesnt have a soul!!!!! Also, if memory serves, CW did at least one load of laundry on the night in question. They have no empathy, which enables them to be incrediably cruel, if it suits. If you believe that Chris didnt kill his daughters, then why on earth did he dump their bodies in oil tanks like they were trash? For starters there was only ONE cadaver dog (the Lab) who indicated only TWO places in the house the spot in the basement between the stairs and the heating system fan, and by the rear sliding door! If you look at the autopsy report she has purple round spots on 1 side of her face from the chin to the temple which could be his knuckles from a punch as well as a 1 handed strangulation. 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