Why? Bill Hybels opens his eyes at dawn, rolls out of bed and lands on his knees. The contents might be encrypted, and, if a key used to decrypt them is lost (or not handed over), they arent readable. How many church leaders are not of His sheep ? Heinous, but nice. And actually, it was the Holy Spirit that empowered Peter to be so bold that made it happen. I read it that Jesus was doing the moderating. Publishing is a major part of a celebritys platform. This is ridiculous! Jesus wins. Having Church in your club title does not necessarily mean it is the Bride of Christ. But friends I hug more frequently, family, etc. Ive been thinking along similar lines for a few days, and its relevance to the question, How could this happen in whats been consider a pioneering egalitarian church?. Sexual predation is not based on *wanting to have sex. Rats gnawing cables in two; They are in denial. Sounds like he at the time did some things that outside of context would be perceived as unwise with co-workers. When we overlook this, we open doors for people like pedophiles and other predators to enter the church and carry out their dark deeds. They have much easier prey in a church setting, as the sheep expect the shepherds to be godly, trustworthy and above such things as looking to get laid. You are just nailing it. Seems like a lot of marriages in and around WCC have some awful secrets. I have books by Bill Hybels on my shelves, and really thought he was one of the good ones. And actually, it was the Holy Spirit that empowered Peter to be so bold that made it happen. Founding and Senior Pastor Bill Hybels preaches during a service at Willow Creek Community Church on Jan. 13, 2018, in South Barrington . Jesus is our model of leadership. @ ishy: You forgot naked swimming, shower on the boat, and deleted emails. not even then 4 years.?? Its what someone mentioned in another thread about 75% of people go along with whatever to be accepted. And what does Lynne Hybels think about all of this? Now the manipulation continues as the abused who have raised their voices are abused yet again. He pulled me aside and asked me if anything had happened. You searched for: Author: lynne hybels bill 2. Years ago, as a 23 yr. old a classroom assistant for a public high school in southern cali my boss wisely told me 1. The difference is the internet makes it much harder to try to shame each of us in person individually.. Blogs such as WW are an encouragement to me. How many times do you think it needs to be posted? One of the grandkids hugs on the yorkiepoo all the time. No one wants to think their pastor is being inappropriate, so your brain just dismisses it. I am an infrequent commenter here, but have been following the WW for years. 2022 Special Gift: As a token of God's faithfulness in his life, his family and ministry, all these . The focus was wrong and a bit too emphatic for me. (2) A face-to-face conversation with Bill Hybels on April 6th. Im probably talking to the air, though, because hit-and-run scolds like you seldom have the courage to come back. Read reviews from world's largest community for readers. You 2 probably believe Jesus was Jewish as well as all the disciples. Willow is no exception. The invitation to the first Family Meeting stated in the first paragraph that this group wanted to damage the church and the senior pastor! Dear TWW readers, I am in Australia so I comment and tweet and post things on FB when you are asleep if you are in the USA. And a pedestal they can fall from and did. Bill Hybels married Lynne Hybels back in 1974. Strange things are happening on Twitter on this case. and further question.. If you arent a hugger, you arent a hugger. I realize that what Jodi Walle is saying John Ortberg did is not on the level of what Bill Hybels did, but it still is extremely unbecoming of a pastor of a church to use the F word or comment on the looks of other women. Anyone who would reject Jesus Christ as his/her savior because of this (or any) scandal was not saved in the first place. There just are. Ok, gotcha. Sometimes theyre letting you know who theyve really been followingand who they havent been. And dont forget: I recognized something was wrong with that, but for various reasons, didnt quite make the connection. Thats why its not overblown to discuss patterns of behavior over a 40 year period from different sources about a pastor who spent his career begging us all to look at me! The people there sold out to it will protect it at all costs. Whether anyone associated with any of his accusers is a jerk or not, I fail to see the pointunless, of course, the point is to smear whoever accuses him so that people will think twice before bringing forth any more stories. Or is this site simply about wholesale condemnation. (Keep in mind I was having a hard time mapping that organizational understanding of leadership to servant of the Body of Christ in those days), You dont remember Bill grooming you? You make a valid point, ishy. Really? Good point. I do. They were taking Jesus away to be put in trial. Hybels told her he had taken Ambien to give himself an excuse for not remembering all the wrongs he had done and said to her that night in his room. Really? Read Acts 4 and 5. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Does Bill Hybel teach future pastors how to get their IT departments to have special deals? @ Davis and Natasha: Nor will Christians abandon their faith en masse over this. She had no way of knowing of other incidents and we now see why. Swimming in a mile-wide creek, one-inch deep. By your words you will be justified and by your words you will be condemned Jesus Matthew 12:37. And why on earth is this even a discussion? This will sound horrible to some but I never understood the overall hug culture. I read it Daily and Journal too. Is it possible that Bill Hybels encouraged the leadership of women in order to increase his own access to women who admired him within the confines of church business, giving him plausible deniability? The woman alleging an affair with Bill said that she was suicidal, both to Leanne and to Bill. As a p.s. @ Davis and Natasha: And Pastor/Apostles Passive-Aggressive Attack Dogs (Tsk. He got GAWD on his side I love Diane Langberg. People handle things. Honestly, there is a lot of gossip here and on other social media about all this. The issue with those who had represented themselves before God and man as being in a place of spiritual authority with the responsibility to be above reproach often have escaped civil or criminal conviction or any sort of permanent admission of guilt or shortcoming for which repentance is called. I suspect (although I dont know for sure) that a hug creates a higher dose of oxytocin. Thats only whats been reported. @ dee: You are so right. 40 years of it. I can assure her that never once was I assaulted, harassed etc. Our job is to sow seeds. Shauna Niequist has apologised for failing to speak up after her father, Bill Hybels, was accused of sexual misconduct. (Hoping they picked the right winning faction). And yes, I cuddled our dog as a little girl. @ Lydia. Her courage will be an inspiration many others. normal life stuff. No one walks away unascathed. Such a horror of more revictimization. I am so very proud of her and with how hard this has been on everyone. There is really not a comparison to what the two men did. 3:6, but you gloss over that because really, at the end of the day, in spite of all your preening about your great knowledge of the Koine Greek (proud, haughty, so like your master, eh? @ Headless Unicorn Guy: I agree. I found Jodie Walle comments very interesting, and did help me to understand the culture. And then sometimes, you end up like me: done with it all, the system that props up people with give the title pastor, that is like fresh meat to the malignant narcissist. Gossip! We would often rent out suites in hotels when there were medical conferences/ conventions going on. So, if we are all prone to sin, how can anyone come to the faith according to your paradigm? Sometimes theyre letting you know who theyve really been followingand who they havent been. Of course, you have move people beyond that into a mature relationship with the Lord and some megas neglect this. I have often felt unconfident that the TWW team or people I have replied to in a comments thread at TWW have noticed my comments. You also wonder what other people might think of you if you mention it. At what point did Nancy inform her husband? I was extremely uncomfortable with Hybels repeatedly reminding the church he was the one leading the charge to empower women. Maybe thats just how he is. The headers which wont be encrypted give info on sender and recipients and dates. Then the man of God acts as if nothing happened.. Give me the bellicose jerks any time. I do believe that he may have gone through a time of repentance and contrition, as much as he may understand that he needs to, and has come to the other side of it and that is the reason that he may not seem as repentant as they expect. Women get to decide if they want to be touched or not, and oh he did not mean anything by should never even have to be brought into play-in the workplace. Sadly, I feel confident that this has not infrequently been engineered by the profiteers running these circus-show churches. That is hard to deal with. Convinced and groomed like Good Little Suckers/Easy Marks. Lets pretend we know what we are doing., When someone shows you who they are believe them; the first time. Maya Angelou. They were belittled and mocked if they tried to set boundaries or said they preferred not to be hugged. Finally, we are told to have high standards for our teachers. 1 Peter 4:8 Testimony of victims and witnesses is not gossip. They sounded clearly clueless about the price and pain that Hybels' behavior inflicted on his victims. Go back to JBs April 16 comment. If we are not to judge, why would there be a list of sins in the Bible, including in the NT, with an admonishment to punish people via church discipline. Theres theory, and then practise. If you have to go along with the silliness (never with evil) make sure you are being paid. And I admit to being raised that public displays of affection between adults was not the best as it might make some uncomfortable. I hope its okay to post. There will always be outrage when the celebrity idols are touched in any way. ), you come across as naive, profoundly ignorant. Dee, We notice them! . And jet setting. On a subsequent conference trip to Hawaii, I went running with Bill and he struck up a conversation about the amnesiac side effects of Ambien. Those are, in my opinion, less the goals than the tools used to achieve the real goals, which I am guessing are not the spiritual health of the Body of Christ. First-run movies, gym memberships, bowling alleys, rock-climbing, restaurant franchises, lotsa merch & swag, all for a simple swipe or tap of your card (or phone app) charging each and every tap/swipe to your student loan? I leave all matters of *who is and who is not a real Christian* In the capable hands of the One who has a higher pay grade. Its not. But what does that have to do with her testimony? My answer is quite simple. She no longer attended church (for at least a year) and she no longer trusted Jesus. So, Ive also read it in the Original Languages. 22 For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, 23 but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, 24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. The Willow Creek board apparently presented a report saying there was no evidence to support the Bill Hybills allegations? I assume you mean well. I mean, it makes for good gossip too. I refuse to answer the question How many people have you led to Christ? That question has no place in our discussions. FOUR YEARS!! Dee is correct with respect to Hotel rooms. Now, if we mean that believers at Willow Creek (or outside of it) will grapple with Mr Hybels and the Elders sins in these matters as they themselves become more sanctified, I can see that perspective. I also think if its true, it minimizes his and his wifes ability to legitimately point the finger at others, and the impact of their words, and that is very unfortunate. But at church with people you see week after week? I dont have any memory of doing and saying those things to her that night!. Dee, is Julie a new commenter here? What you are saying is that public perception of sin causes people to walk away from the faith? Yes, I am. Surely someone from the WCC trebuchet club could have found somebody better at weaving a tale. I cannot find the comment so let me Some person, purportedly a woman, is blaming the women for going to Hybels hotel room. This reminds me of Bob Packwood, a former senator from my state. She thanks you too. @ #UnbiblicalPaths: But if you read Jodies clever rant, take ortberg name out of the picture and just think about what the culture was like there. Reminds me of Bill Gothard and how he gromms and re-grooms his victims too. After all that Nancy Ortberg said, I would hate for her husband to have behaved like that, even if it isnt as bad as what Bill Hybels has done. Its a very reasonable step for Mr Hybels publishers to at least suspend his books until a more independent investigation has been completed. My only (small) hang-up is that the authors, Bill and Lynne Hybels, use examples and stories that are probably pretty dated for 22-28 year-olds getting married nowadays. WC is Hybels no matter how much they protest. The couple was hitched in 1974. [ https://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=28151%5D. The church is now thriving with new leadership, honoring Jesus instead of greedy indiscrete nepotism. @ Davis and Natasha: Bills own admission appears to have been made at a meeting with certain Elders and Willow Creek Association Board members. Tsk.) come out of the woodwork. The next time you make a blanket statement about what the Bible says, pause, think about it, Google and find some help for these difficult concepts. i can not think of any good reason the pastor would want that! . If interested, I posted more material, links, analysis, and some leads to Dan Brennans thoughts on anxious egalitarianism, on this article: https://futuristguy.wordpress.com/2018/04/12/some-thoughts-on-supposedly-feminist-men-who-reportedly-abuse-harass-women/. See, here is the problem . YOU CANT PROVE A THING!!!!!. How to build a corporation in 5 easy steps. In 2018, sexual misconduct allegations had been alleged against Bill Hybels. Leaders who are ambassadors for Christ can cause crises of faith when they break the 3rd Commandment Thou shall not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain. Stop claiming to be the victim! Prayer Requests Just wonderin, Similarities Will the clay say to the potter, What are you doing? Or the thing you are making say, He has no hands ? Isaiah 45:9. They are pits of mass deception and subterfuge. Jodi may get extra points for a time for her clever rant but if this thing goes south she will be the first to go. The next morning, Bill and I were the first ones at breakfast in the hotel. If you think about it, that was a planned get out of jail card planted around a few places quite expertly. @ Lydia: Got any other people of substance who would vouch for you? He lied when he told the Monday night Family Meeting that the unhappy marriage comment in the Tribune was just the result of a check-in.. Are you really saying we would not judge anyone for anything? 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