After 7-10 years of war, David has solidified his empire Mar 2, 2022. Now it came to pass, when Adonizedec king of Now, if we would go through II Samuel 24, that even though David made a huge mistake in chapter 21, he did it right in chapter 24. he put the Gibeonites to death. How many wars were fought? Moreover you shall take no ransom for the life of a murderer who is guilty of death, but he shall surely be put to death [he cannot buy his way out]. If we were reading this quickly, and not really thinking about it, and not understanding God's own character, we might think that this says that God allows the guilt of sin to pass down three or four generations. Their representatives were not up front with the Israeli leaders. Does the devil have power to make us sick? God says very clearly that Israel was to conquer them, destroy them, and make no covenant with them. HERALDS OF HOLOCAUST They decided to fight with the Gibeonites and teach them a lesson. At the time the Israelites under Joshua invaded the Promised Land of Canaan, most of the inhabitants rose up in arms against them. The Bible helps us in this way, because it is full of examples of flawed heroes of faith. That is the bottom line. & "Take heed that you be not deceived." And Samuel says, "See? 1 Then there was a famine in the days of David three years, year after year; and David enquired of the LORD. 0 responses He was not thinking spiritually. Deceit and delusion are powerful spiritual weapons of destruction but they pale in potency compared to the creative and edifying Word of God come alive by faith in believers' hearts! WebDavid serves Saul with music on his harp Nov 24, 1025. The famine was a punishment for Sauls violation of the covenant, made with the Gibeonites back during the days of Joshua. Now Rizpah the daughter of Aiah took sackcloth and spread it for herself on the rock, from the beginning of harvest until the late rains poured on them from heaven. Therefore David said to the Gibeonites, "What shall I do for you? Davids choice of victims reflects at least the covenant between him and Jonathan, if not also the one between him There was not a cloud in sight and you are the king. He came at this as though he were guilty with Saul; that all Israelites were guilty with Saul and his house. Joshua realized he had been deceived, but he kept the letter of his covenant with the Gibeonites to let them live; however, he cursed and enslaved them as woodcutters and water-carriers. Saul later pursued the Gibeonites and sought to kill them off in his zeal for the children of Israel and Judah. There is a very important difference. They had remembered it for 40 or 50 years. However, the Gibeonites did. They engaged in battle, and Israel won, but the people and king Saul said, "Look at all this nice livestock! It is tainted.". God is not bloodthirsty, but He had told them what to do. In some ways, the story centers around covenants or treaties, one made between Israel and the Gibeonites in Joshua 9, another between Jonathan and David in 1 Sam. King David came at it from a position of weakness, not of one who knew God's law and could answer these people from spiritual strength. However, that is not the case. It says a bit later that somebody told him what that woman was doing out there protecting the bodies of the slain men of Saul's house for the past six months and it was as though he said, "Oh really? They were appeasing their own god to send rain. We see in this little vignette that innocent people die; grief lingers forever; idolatry is committed; and the curse of famine continues; another harvest fails; and the land remains defiled; everything stinks of death. They were the five sons of Merab, Saul's daughter. On the other hand, when people do well, like Abraham, and they live God's way of life, this allows God the leeway to show mercy unto thousands of generations of people. It's much too heavy any more!" Finally, someone says to David, "Hey, did you know that Rizpah has been out on a rock for six months, sitting there day after day, protecting the corpses from birds and such, because the Gibeonites won't let her take them down and bury them? God is warning here that sin has consequences. And the LORD answered, "It is because of Saul and his bloodthirsty house, because he killed the Gibeonites." 2 And the king called the Gibeonites, and said unto them; (now the Gibeonites were not of the children of Israel, but of the fit into Creation? A brief, but important, reference to the Gibeonites can also be found in 2 Samuel 21:1-14. 12 Saul said, Listen now, son of Ahitub.. I think he was very low. All answers are REVIEWED and MODERATED. I know that he had other family problems because the prophecies said that he would. The Bible implicitly hints at something which caused a feud which was settled only by the blood of Sauls descendants. This may have only been a couple of months later. PHARAOH AND HAMAN - "Who shall ascend into the hill of the Lord? The midrash states that when Saul learned of this, he was angry with his daughter and demanded of her: Why did you deceive me and let my enemy escape? The scriptures are not very definitive as to why. When we read the history of skirmishes and battles between the Gibeonites and Israelites we get a And that is why God heeded the prayer of the land. This is like offering them reparations for what Saul had done, and they replied that it was not good enough. Nearly two-thirds of American professing Christians believe that their Savior sinned. But so did David. This would be in the spring during or after the Days of Unleavened Bread. A little further down, we read: II Samuel 21:2 . The Israelite version was a whole lot less absolute. The verb is used in this sense with respect to Joshua's action toward the Gibeonites in Joshua 9:27, where cultic servitude is involved ("for the altar of the Lord"). but Saul had sought to kill them in his zeal for the children of Israel and Judah. King David was probably huffing and puffing, "I can't lift this thing! Let his blood be on us and on our children., Perhaps the Gibeonites are a type of the inclusion of the gentiles Romans 9:22-24. Obviously, having seen what happened to Jericho and Ai, they knew God and Israel were serious. Would it be a good alliance to have with these people from far away?". That is not what it says here. Exodus 20:4-6 You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. The higher the vote, the further up an answer is. Perhaps if I go and kill all the Gibeonites like Joshua was supposed to do, maybe God will let me back into the chair.". This does not make any sense. He just let the natural cycles take their course. If people grow up in a society and culture that does not have God at their beck and call, they do whatever they wantwhatever comes naturally. Then Gibeon was a mile or two more to the north-northwest. Gibeon was situated very close to Gibeah the home town of Sauls family. If you read 2Samuel 21 carefully, it seems possible that Saul and his house may have been trying to get the Gibeonites territory. In fact, it can be read as if David approached it as only a minor administrative matter. The "Great Debate" between Nixon and Kennedy had not occurred yet. EVIL'S ULTIMATE END. There was no negotiation; there was no calling them on anything. He was the king. Leviticus 26:18-20 And after all this, if you do not obey Me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins. . He had to sit there and judge people with all the little things they constantly brought up to him that seemed to need his decision on. The person who commits a sin is guilty of that sin, and God punishes that person for that sin. It comes as a snare, Christ says, on everybody. Perhaps he thought, "Hmm. Was John the Baptist conceived via an immaculate conception? It seems that modern Westerners want their heroes flawed. . He resolved properlynot without a lot of death, with 70,000 dead in that plague, but at least he had the repentant attitude by the time it was over. Who are the twenty four elders that John foresaw? WebThe biblical writer confirms this charge by stating that Saul tried to annihilate [ nkah, to inflict a dead blow] them (2 Sam. Even so, maybe there were even worse problems, perhaps, and David was blind to them for three years. I am putting this all together from history. It does not seem to me that during this time of the three years of famine David was emulating the attitude that he wrote about in Psalm 34. To all appearances, it seems that they got away with it. We can't withstand them. Then, they went after Jericho, and it fell. How many died in sicknesses? Guilt for sin is not hereditary. WebVetus Testamentum 24:1 (January 1974):1-7.] Deuteronomy 32:4. So the king took Armoni and Mephibosheth, the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bore to Saul; and the five sons of Michal [Merabsee margin of most Bibles] the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite; and he delivered them into the hands of the Gibeonites, and they hanged them on the hill before the LORD. Another thing that God said to do was not done. 3. Then Ishbi-Benob, who was one of the sons of the giant, the weight of whose bronze spear was three hundred shekels, who was bearing a new sword, thought he could kill David. Luke 21:36 "Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.". & "Take heed that you be not deceived." Why did he not seem to notice the first year and say to himself, "Hmm. And they went to Joshua, to the camp at Gilgal, and said to him and to the men of Israel, "We have come from a far country; now therefore, make a covenant with us. Then, pray for all you are worth so that your relationship with God and Jesus Christ is strong when the famine hits. The Israelites had taken an oath concerning them, but in his zeal for Israel and Judah, Saul had sought to kill them.) 1. Then they answered the king, "As for the man who consumed us and plotted against us, that we should be destroyed from remaining in any of the territories of Israel, "let seven men of his descendants be delivered to us, and we will hang them before the LORD in Gibeah of Saul, whom the LORD chose." Spiritual Strongholds (Part Two): Faithful Trust. Throughout the Scriptures warnings of spiritual dangers are signaled by the flash cards of attention getting words like: "Take heed" or "Consider". Some unfinished business here needs to be taken care of. This meant the latter harvest has passed, and maybe another month or so went by. They made their dust-covered clothes to look worn and ragged as if they had been on the road for many days, even months. If the Gibeonites brought guile and deceit into the land; it was Saul who set the example for deep and devastating delusion. WebMany centuries later (the period from the exodus of Israel to the reign of Saul is generally considered to be about 400 years), Saul came to the throne in Israel. When were threatened by a Philistine attack, Saul he disobeyed Jehovah by offering a sacrifice instead of waiting for Samuel to do it. The Bible doesnt really say. This is taken from the book Antiquities of the Jews, pg. 7: AFTER this, when the country was greatly afflicted with a For a relatively small group the Gibeonites drove a hard bargain and soon it was a done deal. September 01 2013 There is a great deal more than what meets the eye. He does not seem to have asked the priest who would know the law the best to find out what Scripture said about situations like this. 20, and still another between Saul and David in 1 Samuel 24. He just simply rolled over. God spared them as a people, but His nation condemned them to endless servitude. Matt 24:4/Mk 13:5/Lk 21:8. This cultural trait makes it difficult for many people to identify with Jesus Christ. The rains did not come after the Days of Unleavened Bread when these seven men were executed. Joshua and that generation did not do their entire job, and so they were stuck. He made huge errors in judgment, both personally and in a larger sense. He was tired of life, tired of war, tired of all the politics, tired of all the rebellion, tired of Joab. They were a group of Amorites. There are references to the Lord, but they are not references in a spiritual sense. By this time, having fought all his life since he was a teenagerup against Goliath when he was eighteen or soand here he was approaching 70 years old, and he was tired. Samuel turns away; Saul grabs at him and only catches his robe, and tears it. We would like to make a covenant with you.". Share Psalm 34:4-10 I sought the LORD, and He heard me, and delivered me from all my fears. persecuted and killed the Gibeonites men in a covenant relationship with Israel who served at the tabernacle. I also want you to see how warlike Saul was. Instead, they told a story that either ignored the truth completely or, at least, shaded the truth in such a way that it was full of guile and deceit. Israel was totally swindled and bamboozled. And it would have been done quickly and easily. 2 Samuel 21:2 At this, David summoned the Gibeonites and spoke to them. What is the meaning of the parable of the rich man and his manager? According to a May 2007 George Barna Poll, 63% of Americans, mostly professing Christians, believe that Jesus sinned during His physical life! LAMECH: FALL OUT FROM POLYGAMY; Notice verse 2 says that Saul tried to strike them down in his zeal (also means jealously or envy) for the people of Israel and Judah. You see, famine on the scale like thisthree yearsis a sign from God that things were not copacetic in the land. The Gibeonites presented themselves to the invading Israelites, not as nearby neighbors, but as distant foreigners who lived in a far-off land. And how do I know this? Then the men of David swore to him, saying, "You shall go out no more with us to battle, lest you quench the lamp of Israel.". Some interesting similarities to New Testament times occur to me: The fact that David made a covenant with Jonathan regarding Jonathans house (1 Sam 20:14-16), would take precedence over all other reasons not to give up Mephibosheth, I would suppose. Here are guidelines to help facilitate a meaningful learning experience for everyone. He that hath clean hands, and a pure heart; who hath not lifted up his soul unto vanity, nor sworn deceitfully. You are no longer fit to be king." Instead, David brings back twice as many. There are things like destruction for their sin, and the family takes that long to recover from that destruction. And he gathered an army and attacked the Amalekites, and delivered Israel from the hands of those who plundered them. God!before the Lordin Gibeah of Saul. This is pretty clear. Does the Bible encourage the practice of Lent? It is in II Samuel 21. Then they went back and took Ai. Lets be clear from the very beginning, David was kind to Mephibosheth for his father Jonathans sake (2 Samuel 9:1). Mephibosheth was only five ye VERSE 2. The Rock, his work is perfect, for all his ways are justice. They agree to the death of seven of Saul's descendants. I do not know if that was the case, but he had just gone through Absalom's rebellion, and Sheba's rebellion, and maybe he allowed that to cross his mind too. Except for verse 21, there is very little mention of God in the whole episode. Why was Satan so effective in influencing the actions of Eve? Before she married David, Abigail had been the wife of _____. How long was the average lifespan at the time? The Bible does not provide us the details of this killing. What might he have done? This is certainly not the David of Psalm 34, where he wrote. Their deceit, Israel's lack of vigilance and Saul's deep delusion caused God's people centuries of grief and embarrassment. God took the initiative in this matter, by afflicting the nation of Israel with a famine because the house of Saul had put the Gibeonites to death. Let's see what's in our bag of tricks. That is that he could have gone along with the Gibeonite's demands in order to get rid of seven possible contenders for his throne. They made their dust-covered clothes to look worn and ragged as if they had been on the road for many days, even months. But talk about your flawed heroes! He wanted to go do something else. Numbers 35:34 "Therefore do not defile the land which you inhabit, in the midst of which I dwell; for I the LORD dwell among the children of Israel.'". There is no indication in II Samuel 21 that David got advice from any of his ministers about how to deal with this situation. King Saul later broke the treaty that Joshua had signed and attacked the Gibeonites. Later still, during the time of King David, a famine occurred in Israel. When David asked the Lord about the famine, God said, It is on account of Saul and his blood-stained house; it is because he put the Gibeonites to death (2 Samuel 21:1). He simply folded, giving the Gibeonites everything they wanted. What I am trying to show you by going through these different places is that there is plenty of law that King David could have looked back on. He just let them walk all over him. These are the two hints. But the consequences of their sinswhat it means to us; what happened because of their sinstill affects us today. Report. And the Gibeonites said to him, "We will have no silver or gold from Saul or from his house, nor shall you kill any man in Israel for us." So, others besides Saul were guilty. He sees the hearts of men and the hidden actions of men. Only in one sense, there was a fall of man, but certainly not in the traditional sense. The rest of the Canaanites resented the defection of the Hivites which so greatly weakened the forces for defense, and, headed by Adoni-zedek of Jerusalem, they assembled to wreak vengeance on Gibeon. ( v.1 ) So God sent a famine to punish a kingdom for something that a former king supposedly did. As Christians living amidst spiritual famine, we dare not compromise with the culture around us. Two years is a long time. King Saul would conscript them into the army, and off they would go in a bloodthirsty rage against somebody else. Saul tried to get back his throne from God by doing what he thought was right, what he thought was zealous for God, by getting rid of the foreignersincluding the Gibeonitesthat were among them. Then, I am sure, he started to think about other things that were happening, and he started to make some reforms in himself. I know that is how I always read itas straight historyand I did not think about it very much. THE BATTLES OF THE LORD The breach of contract was serious enough that God sent the famine in response. And they took old sacks on their donkeys, old wineskins torn and mended, old and patched sandals on their feet, and old garments on themselves; and all the bread of their provision was dry and moldy. Forty years, at least, has passed, and had they been involved in it back when Saul was still kinglet us say they were 18 to 20 years oldthese men involved in this massacre, should they still be alive, might be 60, 65, or even 70 years old. However, this chapter drops a few hints about it. SERIES INTRODUCTION Joshua 9:14 is the key to Israel's problem. WebSaul, Israel's first king thought he knew better than God. Without checking out their story; without surveying the geographical situation; most of all, without consulting the Lord and waiting for His guidance, Joshua went impulsively ahead and signed a binding, lasting agreement with the Gibeonites. Now the Gibeonites were not of the people of Israel but of the remnant of the Amorites. "We don't want any money, for sure not Saul's money. Joshua kept his word to the Gibeonites even when it was inconvenient. Later, during a wasting famine, David, attempting a political rather than a righteous solution, yielded to the Gibeonites' request that descendants of Saul be hanged to avenge the slaughter. He gives them exactly what they want, and look at what happens. It said earlier that they wanted them to be hung before the Lord in Gibeah of Saul. Rizpah, Lord Alfred Tennyson in 1878. What is meaning of 2 Cor. And Agag, he's a nice guy! He asked me, "How does this incident square with what God says in Ezekiel 18:19-20?". Jesus Christ should be everyone's ultimate hero. Gave 7 of Saul's sons to the Gibeonites. God only let the rain cycle start again. WebThe consequences of Israels covenant with the Gibeonites were not short-term. One of them toward the end of this list is King David. And we bear the guilt with them for that. Berean Literal Bible Acts 13:21. For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.". Why did God allow the Gibeonites to put to death seven of Sauls sons? Why didnt Abraham bargain with God when it came to Isaac being offered as a burnt offering like he did when it came to Sodom and Gomorrah? And that day Joshua made them woodcutters and water carriers for the congregation and for the altar of the LORD, in the place which He would choose, even to this day. Whatever the case, it is very plain to me that he did not pay enough attention to this matter of the famine and drought, and the Gibeonites. You cannot tell. 4. THE STORY OF THE GIBEONITES - Yet, because of the long time that has passed since then until now, when the Gibeonites were asked to bring it up, how many of the guilty ones had died? He is beyond us; it does not make any sense. On the mammoth scene of world history this minor alliance would rank as a minute encounter. Hebrews 11 exhibits a whole chapter of men and women just like us who, despite their humanity and frequent foibles, fought the good fight of faith and were victorious in the end through the grace of God. . Saul also had sound state reasons for his action, for the Gibeonites were occupying an enclave in the very In verse 7 we see the only thing in the entire situation that was any good at all. This famine has been going on for three years, year after year. And David sought the face of the Lord. Much later, King Saul ignored this covenant of peace and killed some Gibeonites. There is no want to those who fear Him. However there is nothing in the text that indicates he did this. God did not necessarily overlook all their sins, but He certainly forgave them. Also, the Lord pronounced, It is a result of the massacre by Saul and welcome classification because Saul indeed destroyed the Gibeonites in the Bible. WebWhich city did Saul destroy when he found that its priests had given David's men provision? He has mercy, and holds the curses to just a few generations, but He allows the results of doing righteousness to last forever. I do not think that King David thought through the implications of this matter very well. It has got to go. This is interesting. Exodus 21:12-13 "He who strikes a man so that he dies shall surely be put to death. He keeps his word even to his own disadvantage and does not change it [for his own benefit] (Psalm 15:1, 4; AMP). Only after three days did they discover that their "far-distant" allies were really next-door neighbors! And the king said, "I will give them.". He understood it. How do other hominoids (e.g homo erectus, homo neanderthalensis, etc.) Most, if not all, of those responsible were dead. He did not do a thing that a king or judge should do. Because of what had been going on, all the turmoil in this life and the kingdom, David was not spiritually prepared to face it. Web2 Samuel 21:2 indicates that King Saul pursued the Gibeonites and sought to kill them off "in his zeal for the children of Israel and Judah" (2 Samuel 21:5). King David was perhaps the only converted person in the entire nationmaybe besides the high priest of the time, but we do not know. God isn't very pleased that these bodies have been exposed for six months against His law.". Report, August 29 2022 I haven't been keeping up on things. WebThe designation Nethinim is derived from the Hebrew verb natan ("to give over"), which can mean devoting someone to cultic service. So he brought up the bones of Saul and the bones of Jonathan his son from there; and they gathered the bones of those who had been hanged. Israel had to live with those consequences for years to come. Psalm 34:17-18 The righteous cry out, and the LORD hears, and delivers them out of all their troubles. There were big problems, and one of them was the consequences and effects of Saul and his bloodthirsty house. How many died in bar-fights? The children of Israel gathered and went across the Jordan River, and set up camp at Gilgal. It springs out when you are not ready. It is the time of the beginning of the barley harvest. The soul who sins shall die. Saul became a bit strange in the head after this, if you will remember. Then there is another thing. No one killed king David. He died of old age, at the age of three score and ten (70 years). 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