MORRISON: In Kurt Kuenne's documentary, Clark Simpson, one of Andrew's close friends at the hospital, remembers that November morning just two weeks later when Shirley surprised Andrew again. prayed that his murderer, whoever it was, would be swiftly brought to justice. For three seasons now, Temptation Island has been a social experiment to see if long-term couples are able to fix their broken relationships by going on an island full of attractive singles. (Talking in group) This is not about money. MORRISON: And ultimately she sent him away, with no forewarning. 2007 David Bagby (P)2016 ListenUp Production, LLC. MORRISON: Andrew was the only child of software engineer David Bagby and his wife, Kate, a nurse practitioner. As always you can unsubscribe at any time. I kind of need to move on from that because, like I. said, I'm a Bagby male. They both rejected her, and she responded by killing them. Not always.. MORRISON: The rage was tempered with a yearning to know just why Andrew had been assassinated. I cried with rage, almost like the Bagby's and I normally do not get emotional when it comes to true crime novels. he was fussy at all. Sitting with Kate and David in the sunny house where they raised their son, its almost as if they can see those days right in front of their eyes. She's also a market partner with the Monat brand, which sells hair care and wellness products. Wasn't anybody willing to step up(besides the Bagbys) and try to rescue that baby?? MORRISON: When you did find out that she was pregnant, what was your thought? They smothered him in kisses and often spoke to him about Andrew. Absolutely riveting.i couldn't put it down, and was completely draw in and addicted. MORRISON: A couple of hours later, there was another knock at the, Mr. BAGBY: Told us what happened. On Nov. 14, a Canadian judge ruled that Turner should indeed be jailed while arguments continued on whether she should be sent back to the United States. Zachary's arrival pierced the hatred toward Turner that flooded the Bagbys' lives after they lost their only son. MORRISON: Shirley, meanwhile, seemed to be preparing for her, extradition, and perhaps she was looking for a way to exclude the Bagbys from. They drowned Aug. 18, 2003, in what was ruled a murder-suicide. Andrew Bagby broke up with Shirley but she lured him to an isolated location where she shot him 5 times. Now armed with a powerful tool, "Dear Zachary: A Letter, to a Son about his Father," the tribute film Kurt Kuenne started making, first. In July 2002 she gave birth to a boy. This hope is brutally extinguished when Shirley kills Zachary on one of her visitations. By Zacharys birthday in July 2003, Turners fight against extradition had suffered another blow. Their sons killer was off the streets and their grandchild would come live with them. It is a cry for change in the Canadian justice system that allowed his sons killer to roam free. MORRISON: Andrew's body was discovered the following morning with bullets lodged in his face, buttock, chest, the back of his head. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I understand that. For three seasons now, Temptation Island has been a social experiment to see if long-term couples are able to fix their broken relationships by going on an island full of attractive singles. He said, `What can happen?'. As the police closed in on Shirley Jane Turner, their sole suspect made it clear that she would not give up easily. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son about His Father is a 2008 documentary detailing the life and death of one Dr. Andrew Bagby, a resident at a family practice in Latrobe, Pennsylvania. Theyd fly back to Sunnyvale to hold a memorial service. ', Because I know you would be worried if we disappeared for a couple of days or, MORRISON: Was she planning something? This is the most moving and incredibly outrageous true story I've ever heard. and our How could a woman be in jail on a suicide watch one day and be taking care of his grandson the next? Shes Kate Bagby from Sunnyvale, she explains. Change is slow. March 17, 2007 at 7:39 p.m. Kate and David Bagby knew exactly what they were going to do. MORRISON: So different from who Andrew really was, a kind, devoted son who made Eagle Scout at 15. Mackenzie spent a semester studying abroad in Dublin, and has had the travel bug ever since. When I read true crime, I like to see more back story of the people involved. Audio CD. "We never expected it. When we met him, we just melted as if it was magic. They forged a relationship with the woman they believed killed their son so they could see Zachary, their only grandchild. It didnt take Pennsylvania police long to put together a suspect and motive, according to the 1,100-page Turner Review and Investigation, which was commissioned by the province of Newfoundland. Theyre as much in love as any couple Ive ever seen in my life, anywhere, says Andrews lifelong friend Kuenne. Unfortunately, there is not court case, as the accused murderer killed herself. An autopsy report would show that an anti-anxiety drug, prescribed by the very psychiatrist who put up Shirley's bail money had been, mixed into Zachary's formula. Everyone could see how far off the deep end Shirley Turner was, including the very justice system that continued to set her free and place an innocent child in her arms. Kate has also moved on,according to her Instagram. Andrew Bagby is murdered in the US by a woman who was angry that he broke up with her. He loved to laugh, Kate says. a--with a hand grenade in the kitchen with the pin already pulled. A judge ruled that Turner's detention was not in the public interest and released her on bail. What a flaky person. Then, even if the court orders extradition, Canadas federal justice minister must decide whether to hand over the fugitive to U.S. authorities. Mr. SIMPSON: I said, `Do not meet her in private.' Scott Adams faces 'consequence culture' as U.S. newspapers drop Dilbert, Tom Cruise's 'ditching' of Suri showcased by Judd Apatow's 'co-parenting' joke, ex-Scientology exec says. substance to it. It wasn't just to monitor the, extradition process. I can only imagine this book to be heartbreaking. I lay in--laid there in bed a couple of times and thought, If I just kill her, Zachary will be safe. My gut just churned. Zachary ends up killed by his wicked mother to spite his family and the Canadian courts, while also getting away with murdering his father. MORRISON: But was that what you assumed had happened? Its rage with me, he says. This is an amazing true story that waswell, not conveyed with the same fiery delivery seen in the film "Dear Zachary". The 28-year-old California native, a family medical practice resident, died Nov. 5, 2001. At 3am on Monday, August 18, Turner drove to a near by marina . Cpl. to the house and found a card from a police officer that we knew. But that is what the Bagbys. If she had her way, we would not have had any visitation at, MORRISON: Coming up, fighting not just to see their grandson, but. Mr. DAVID BAGBY: I threw the phone at the desk, and I jumped up and just screamed, `No! Mr. BAGBY: He's now engaged to this lovely girl, and he's going to go to med school. Shirley's message of "Mommy loves you" to Zachary is replayed following, Shirley Turner not only never sees justice for Andrew's murder, but by. Unidentified Man #24: Two I have ever known. (David and Kate; photo of Andrew by tape being put into recording device; Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Are you babysitting? Andrew Bagby was studying at Memorial University medical school in Newfoundland when he met Turner, a fellow medical student 12 years his senior. granddad? IRS delays tax deadline for Bay Area, but California hasn't followed: What should you do? I always thought life was good until Andrew was killed, Kate says, sitting in her Sunnyvale kitchen. (Shears; photo of Shirley, Zachary and Shears; Shears walking), Mr. SHEARS: Suddenly everything rushes into you, and you realize that she, did murder Andrew. MORRISON: Shirley also claimed to have been at home in Iowa, sick in bed the day of the murder. When police interviewed the hospital staff Mr. SIMPSON: I said, `Well, you don't have to look far.' In June, the federal justice minister ordered her turned over to U.S. authorities. Kate on average, especially at the beginning, tended to break down in despair and tears, David says. "At some point in the future, a judge will see this and research it and I'm hoping that it will protect minor children.". (Photo of Kate, Zachary and Shirley; photo of David, Zachary and Shirley; photo of Shirley and Zachary; photos of Zachary with Shirley and Kate), Mr. BAGBY: Our usual policy was just to let her go. Mr. BAGBY: Oh, yeah. "There, is no indication of a psychological disorder that would give concern about, potential harm to the public generally as her crime, while violent, was, specific in nature." ago Some days its difficult to get out of bed, Kate, 65, says. He grew into a smart kid, an Eagle Scout who loved to read. They watched the legal proceedings grind, infuriating and slow. (David speaking to reporters; Kate speaking to reporters; David on radio show; "Dear Zachary" poster; Kurt editing video; photo of Andrew; photo of Zachary; Mr. KUENNE: I almost gave up making this film when you were, killed. Except he picked up as this reporter was leaving a voicemail explaining the call from Newfoundland to Sunnyvale, Calif. Highly recommended. In this brutally tragic true story a Father (David Bagby, author) and Mother deal with the slaying of their son by his ex-girlfriend. Kurt Kuenne embarked on the documentary following the murder of his best friend, Andrew. Hed been shot five times. On the film's website, David asks those who have seen Kurt's documentary to write to the Canadian Minister of Justice and add their name to his campaign. Whom was also a doctor. Reviewed in the United States on January 15, 2017, This is a book written by David Bagby about the murder of his son by his mentally ill obsessed stalker Dr. Shirley Turner. Unidentified Man #21: (Talking in group) I know. David and Kate Bagby must have been saints to have had to tolerate personal dealings with their only child's murderess,and basically have to groval to her to even see their precious only-ever grandchild.Yet,they did whatever they could for the sake of Zachary.Most people (myself included) would have made away with Shirley Turner the first chance they got.Why should they have even been put in that insane situation in the first place? In 2006, the press was there again to cover the issuance of a report on the death of, (Newspaper article; David on TV show being interviewed; Confederation, Unidentified Reporter: (Newscast) The government has received a scathing. Unidentified Man #20: The weather here is terrible. and, despite her history of unstable behavior, stalking men who wanted to escape from her insanity and documented history of suicidal gestures when rejected by any of her numerous lovers Shirley Turner was allowed to retain primary physical and legal custody of her son that she was pregnant with when she murdered his father, Zachary. '", "The murder has dominated our lives," says her husband, David, 63. Keith Morrison reports. So, be prepared., The emotion that was shown was beyond description, really, Snow says. She just dropped to the floor and laid down, and, I went down after her. If you dont believe that, you need only follow the Bagbys lives over the past five years. First published in 2007, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss follows Andrew's family as they . MORRISON: It was November 2001 when Dr. Andrew Bagby, 28 years old, was found in hospital scrubs lying facedown in the state park in Derry Township, Pennsylvania. But a few weeks later, she showed up in Pennsylvania, unexpected, for the wedding of one of his friends. Try again. It would be kind of upsetting, I guess, to let your son spend time. Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), Click to email a link to a friend (Opens in new window), Click to share on Reddit (Opens in new window), Chart: Bay Area rainfall totals for this week, Contact Mike Cassidy at mcassidy@mercurynews.com or (408) 920-5536. We don't--we don't gush very much. Save 50% on 1 when you buy 2 Shop items. MORRISON: What did you think when you heard that? You could see Andrew in that boy. This quote is repeated over and over as Kuenne describes plenty of evidence of just that: fifteen-minute suicide watch while imprisoned, threatening to stab another inmate, restraining orders against Shirley by eight different people, previously attempting suicide on an ex-lover's property, etc. MORRISON: It was almost two years after Andrew Bagby's murder, when Shirley Turner's eldest son T.J. drove home to his girlfriend after an. Andrew Bagby, 28, was their light, their love, their boy. MORRISON: What thought or feeling did that give you? MORRISON: Do you find yourself going back and playing that back in your mind? MORRISON: How did you find out what happened, how he had been killed? When another man scorns her during this time, she kills herself and the baby, all to the horror of Andrew's parents. Related:Temptation Island: What Happened To Casey & Ashley After Season 2? But their efforts to safeguard him weren't enough and they saythat both the justice system and the child welfare system failed them. I think about the Bagby family all the time. Some time after 1 a.m., she sat in the car and apparently mixed a bottle of sleeping pills with Zacharys formula. Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) You don't like this answer, but I'm going to, give it to you again. Even before the ultimate tragic end,I strongly felt that it was a crime within itself that that woman had that defenceless child. I got to see what happens to the bastard who did this. It's great. What terrible conditions he came into this world under, Kate says. Andrew, of all people, seemed to have no enemies at all. This book ends in heartbreaking tragedy. I'm just looking for somebody to hang out with and have fun here in school.' Mr. BAGBY: We first got to see him personally in family court. ', He quoted Shakespeare to me, Kate says, and I thought, `This is incredible. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on July 4, 2017. i read this after seeing the amazing documentary and still felt the rage of the incredible injustice of it all whilst reading it. I didn't have. Her former lover was found dead in a parking lot at Keystone State Park in Pennsylvania,northeast of Pittsburgh. And I said, `Who?' The couple had met in medical school at Memorial University of Newfoundland. He said, `What do you mean?' GARDNER: (Audio recording) Yeah. Slain tot's grandparents welcome new bail law | CBC News Loaded. Yes, I went to great lengths to read this book and I'm glad I did! Much of this DATELINE report incorporates material from Kurt's documentary, as well as something else: the childhood films he made as he taught himself his craft. "We had a complete meltdown," says David. And so he set out to collect the memories of Andrew's family and giant circle of friends. Do not get me wrong: it is a ver emotional history with a real case but I am not sure to have a book about it and I think that the family deserves respect. keep him safe, which they feared was about to become even more difficult. Having watched the documentary about this case, I really needed to read this book. Yes,they were innocent as well, but I feel it takes a big person to rise abouve it all and not harbour animosity towards those people. David can go from nearly shaking in anger when he talks about the murder to almost sobbing in sadness over the memory of his boy. Mrs. Kate Holland Bagby, age 101, of Flowery Branch entered into eternal rest with her Heavenly Father on Tuesday, Oct. 2, 2012, at her residence following a short illness. It is scary and shocking and I found myself admiring them in a way I have admired few and wondering how they managed to go on. I said, `Oh, no. Im sure shes just gone somewhere. 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